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I'm dreading Christmas

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  • 13/11/2007 @ 10:29 7vicar said:
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    I'm dreading christmas I really am, the weekend TV was full of toy ads, and the lights have started to goup in the shops. My stomach is sick at the thoughts of it, I just want to hide under my bed for the next month, until it's all over.

  • 13/11/2007 @ 11:15 purebench said:
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    dont forget christmas is a celebration

    and what it is celebrating

    the commercialism is annoying and, shallow, the services take forever and restrict your time with family, but christmas in its essence is celebrating a huge, amazing, miracle.

    :)

  • 13/11/2007 @ 11:24 7vicar said:
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    I'm not religious though, I feel the spirtual side of christmas has been completely lost and I can't cope with stress of everything I have to buy and do, christmas means misery to me, not celebration, because the one who has to buy it, parcel it, host it, I can't cope.

  • 13/11/2007 @ 11:47 Swon said:
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    I really don't want to sound like an old git, but I'm (just) old enough to remember when Christmas was special in so many ways, we had a quantity of gifts that we never had at any other time, we had food that we spent 364 days only dreaming of and people wished you a happy Christmas and meant it.  Now however, those of us fortunate enough to live in the affluent parts of the world, can have what we want when we want, credit cards mean nobody saves for anything and food is plentiful and relatively inexpensive. OK I accept that we do still have the poor and needy but compared to this country 50 years ago and indeed, to many other parts of the world now - we are very lucky. So, that should make us happy but it doesn't, quite the opposite, the more we have the more we want and the more pressure there is to 'celebrate' Christmas, which is ironic in an increasingly secular country although festivals at that time of year (winter solstice, birth of Mithras etc) pre-date christianity by hundreds of years anyway. The result is that more and more of us, and I include myself, just do not look forward to it at all. Even this year, when I'm looking forward to the birth of my 2nd grandchild, Christmas is just getting in the way. It would be nice to think that we could return to a proper Christmas but I feel commercialism has put paid to that. If I did not have an elderly mother who spends Christmas with us, I'd take the familly off to somewhere warm until it was all over.  I've just re-read that before hitting the post button and it is a terrible reflection on todays world - wish I didn't feel that way.

  • 14/11/2007 @ 19:33 Wolfie said:
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    Dear S1dg5y,

    I would just like to say what a wonderful insight into the world of Christmas past.  There is much to be said for the good old days, but sadly we can't go back.  

    I do my best to make Christmas special for my children and it is hopefully not about the presents but about the things we do together.  time is short for the rest of the year and time spent with our extended family is always special - particularly if they are allowed to stay up late etc. 

    Whatever the Christmas period means to different people, I hope they ignore the Woolworth adverts and make it a special time in whatever way then can and whatever their circumstances. 

  • 15/11/2007 @ 09:14 red said:
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    I hate Christmas. I don't want to be with people because i feel i should have to but i don't want to be alone either. I agree with s1dg5y - it is so very commercial - it starts in october and makes  people turn crazy - and for what - one day of over-indulgence and unwanted gifts? i have no idea what to do this year - i don't have children - and i don't want to ask friends as it may seem like i am needy.Going somewhere warm is a lovely idea but it tends to be so expensive.

  • 15/11/2007 @ 10:21 DrPhil said:
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    Consumer power - we're the only ones who can change it! Read all your posts with interest, and I could not agree more. But I can hear the screams now if I approached my family and requested a low key, present-free Christmas! We have tried and off through the years, instigating secret santa, cash limits etc., to no avail. How to suggest a return to the kind of Christmas we enjoyed years ago, without waking the teenage demons?

  • 15/11/2007 @ 10:22 DrPhil said:
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    Or maybe we have raised selfish brats by indulging them?

  • 16/11/2007 @ 19:38 ablely said:
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    Ha ha! I wonder who I do Christmas for now!  Is it for the children, not really. They don't seem to care and want to spend most of their time with their friends. My husband sleeps most of the time.  And I potter around tidying up after people.

  • 18/11/2007 @ 08:58 Wolfie said:
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    Oh ablely!  Poor you!  How about asking your family what they want to do for Christmas now that your children are a bit older; and maybe it doesn't need to focus on food and television, perhaps a walk or something different?  Set aside time for the family and time for their friends?

  • 18/11/2007 @ 20:30 Latchmere said:
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    when I was a student, and several of us were quite far from home, we used to have Orphans Christmas, it was fabulous! I miss those days :-(

  • 19/11/2007 @ 08:36 zorro said:
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    i agree, my family and i decided a few years ago to limit christmas to £10 per person and no more. i have found spending a tenner on everyone far more challenging than just spending indescriminatly, you have to think muhc more carefully about what ou are going to buy so makes it much moer thoughtful. PLus, since my niece was born (shes 2) Christmas has refound its magic for me... I think small kids make christmas, and as for commercialisation - you can choose not to buy into it!

  • 20/11/2007 @ 19:12 roze said:
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    i am with Zorro - my family just did table presents and then lately with friends we have done you buy one present for someone you pull out of the hat. It workded. But since i had a child - i find it  magic for her - and do everything to make it work - without her i would be on a desert island that has never heard of chrsimas/

  • 20/11/2007 @ 22:20 Peppermint said:
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    I'm dreading Christmas because my family are 8,100 miles away. :(

  • 21/11/2007 @ 12:20 roze said:
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    Ooh Peppermint that must be terrible. I hope that you know some people where you are that you can do some things with over Christmas? Although i once spent a Christmas alone  - by choice - and it was good. But maybe the issue is more about missing your family?

  • 21/11/2007 @ 20:58 Peppermint said:
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    I married a Canadian and moved here from Australia. I have a huge family back home and Christmas in non-stop. I love it. Hubby's family is very small, and don't really do anything. While I love my husband and enjoy spending time (and christmas) with him, this is the one time so far that I get truly homesick thinking about. The issue definitely is that I miss my family, because family is what christmas is all about for me. Still, we do have the internet and telephone, maybe I can set up a webcam thing with them. :)

  • 21/11/2007 @ 21:21 Wolfie said:
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    Perhaps you can start planning a surprise trip back to Australia for next year?

  • 21/11/2007 @ 21:48 Peppermint said:
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    I really wish I could, but I'm applying for a spousal visa at the moment and I can't leave the country until a decision is made either way. Will take up to 18 months.

    But, my parents are coming to visit me next year. :D

  • 21/11/2007 @ 21:51 Wolfie said:
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    Web cam, the telephone and some extra special presents in the mail then!  And perhaps try and get your husband's family in to the swing of things.....?

  • 21/11/2007 @ 21:56 Peppermint said:
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    Absolutely. Make the best of it, right? I'll do what I can. :)

  • 22/11/2007 @ 16:23 roze said:
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    I was thinking that maybe those of us that have mixed feelings about Christmas should meet on a talkabout at a fixed time on Christmas day and just talk about how our day is going. And have a little party online!

  • 23/11/2007 @ 20:49 Swon said:
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    Great idea Roze - your place or mine?

  • 24/11/2007 @ 04:19 roze said:
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    Well s1dg5y i have started an online open invitation - and we are three already!

  • 24/11/2007 @ 12:09 thorn said:
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    I posted this on one of my bricks, but thought I should post it here too.

    I'm dreading Christmas too.

    I used to be one of "those" women. Christmas trees in every room of the house. Gift baskets for postman, workers at my favorite shops, people who do my yardwork. Homemade cookies and candies for my co-workers. Handmade gifts for family and friends.

    And the parties... It started with a birthday bash for my partner (Nov 28th) and then tree decorating, our anniversary, Solstice, Christmas, New Years Eve (which was also my mentor's birthday!) and finally, a Three Kings Day party for taking down the tree.

    And now just thinking about it makes me exhausted. There have been so many losses (Mentor, my relationship, etc.) that I don't want to cope with it.

    But my friends and loves aren't accepting this and a bunch of them took me out to buy a tree (fake!) and decorations and we put it up last night. It didn't get decorated all the way though. Lights are on it and garland and about half the ornaments. That was as far as I was able to get before I couldn't handle it anymore. 

    I blamed wanting to stop decorating on the eggnog.  We're going to finish tonight. Ugh.

  • 24/11/2007 @ 14:57 Muse said:
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    Oh Thorn, just reading your post I want to make it stop for you. You obviously need time and space to readjust to this time of year and there is nothing worse than having to fake it. Can you talk to one of your 'group', maybe someone you are particularly close to, about how you are feeling and perhaps he or she could quietly pass the word round?  Or perhaps tell everyone that you are focussing on one (small) celebration event this year and maybe they will get the message?

    I hope you will be able to quietly finish the tree on your own and in your own time - it will look beautiful - and hopefully it will remind you of happy times.  With best wishes, Muse

  • 24/11/2007 @ 17:10 thorn said:
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    Thank you for the suggestion Muse.

    This will be the third Christmas since my losses and my friends were very understanding about the first two. I have tried to explain how I feel to them, but they believe I need to do something for Christmas this year to help me heal.

    It's not going to be much, just one tree and a cookie exchange. Oh.. And I'm hand decorating some bags to put purchased liqueurs in to give as gifts.

    I understand they are doing this out of love and I do appreciate the sentiment behind it.

  • 25/11/2007 @ 08:08 roze said:
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    I am wondering if you in some way feel you would be being disloyal or disrespectful to your mentor/friend that died if you celebrate christmas. Perhaps each decoration on the tree can go up with a beautiful memory of them - so they are there with you - being part of your celebration - as they will be a part of your life forever.

  • 25/11/2007 @ 15:29 thorn said:
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    I don't feel disloyal Roze, it's just that my mentor loved Christmas and was such a huge part of Christmas for me.

    The picture of the elf and Santa fishing on my brick is a sculpture they made for their yard.

    We couldn't be together Christmas, so for 15 years I would make boxes for them with a small tabletop Christmas tree that I decorated, a scarf that I knitted, cookies, candies, a Christmas CD, and little gifts that I picked up during the year I thought they would enjoy.  It's difficult to not have this tradition any more.

    I know my mentor would want me to continue celebrating Christmas because they enjoyed it so much. I think this is why my friends want to make sure I start celebrating again, so I don't get in the habit of not celebrating. 

    I just don't know if I'm ready.

  • 26/11/2007 @ 07:46 roze said:
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    I can understand that Thorn. SOunds like you had a lot of 'rituals' associated with your mentor at this time of year. Would it help just to do some different things - celebrate in ways that are not associated with them somehow? And perhaps can you say to friends that you really appreciate what they are doing but can they take it gently - as you still feel quite fragile around it all?

     

  • 05/12/2007 @ 19:50 7vicar said:
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    I've just noticed how long ago I started this talkabout, and I think that while I'm dreading it still, it hasn't increased in proportion to the time slipping away, some of what you have written here has helped with that. How's everyone else doing? It's now so near, it's nearly past!

  • 05/12/2007 @ 23:57 SILENTLY_spoken said:
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    i dont want to have to face my family and be civil with my father who will hand me a present i never asked for and when i don't want anything from hi

  • 06/12/2007 @ 00:08 roze said:
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    And do you have to Si-sp....what puts you in that space where it sounds you would choose not to be? Find a space and silently shout...........or scream..........Big White Wall community is here ...and we are going to listen for as long as you may choose to talk. A silent and so strong hug!

  • 06/12/2007 @ 07:37 Latchmere said:
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    I can't believe how much of the christmas dread on the site is about being in places none of us want to be, or being forced to celebrate it how others want - do we put that pressure on ourselves? In the past I've told some horrendous lies to "get out" of the day itself. And you know, it was worth every one of them!! Having the memory of a few Christmasses spent exactly how I wanted helps me get through the ones I can't deal with.

  • 06/12/2007 @ 09:26 Peppermint said:
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    Hmm. It's not that i don't want to be here, it's more that I wish that my family could be here, too. I love Canada and I love my husband and his family.. I just think that Christmas would be complete if mine could be with us.

  • 06/12/2007 @ 10:29 Wolfie said:
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    We will be thinking of you and your faraway family at Christmas Peppermint.... perhaps a toast at the online Christmas party!

  • 06/12/2007 @ 18:53 Peppermint said:
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    Thank you so much. :) I will be thinking of you all, too.

  • 06/12/2007 @ 19:22 roze said:
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    I just had a look at the articles and quiz on useful stuff about Christmas. The quiz was interesting - it was asking about whether you are a giver or taker or both - i liked it because there was no 'right' answer. ANd yes i much prefer to give than to take. I get embarassed when people give me presents but i love planning surprises for other people.

  • 18/12/2007 @ 09:53 Gookle said:
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    As Christmas approaches, I have to be honest I am feeling just a hint of anticlimax.  I have eaten too much already, bought presents that I know people probably won't like because I was in a hurry and am generally more stressed than usual.

     

  • 18/12/2007 @ 10:01 roze said:
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    Oh Gook - there is so much ridiculous pressure on doing certain things at Christmas. Frankly i think we all just set ourselves up to fail. Who is it all for? If for the kids, then we know they don't need much to have a fabulous time - it is not about big expensive gifts. If you have Christian religious belief, then all this focus on the material is at odds with the teachings of the Bible. If for  family then doing it all at Christmas is not an adequate substitute for having quality time together during the rest of the year. If for friends, then we know that all it needs is a take out and a bottle of wine.

    I feel like Christmas has become this mass collusion in doing stuff for other people and such high pressure to perform (the perfect present, for example) that it has become pure stress that leads to major anti-climax. So you are not alone!!!!!!!!! 

  • 19/12/2007 @ 08:02 ChocolateCake said:
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    the panic is only starting to hit me now, I have nothing done, this is terrible.

  • 22/12/2007 @ 16:56 red said:
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    My worst scenario has come true. I have been invited by some close acquaintances (about as close as i get to friends) to spend Christmas Day with them - i have been before. I am never sure why i go - i think perhaps so i can say to people at work 'oh i am going to friends for the day' rather than not be able to say anything. And now i have heard - that they are inviting a new couple this year - and i cannot believe it - my lover and his wife will be there. I knew they were in the same circle but this is such a horrible freak and cruel coincidence. I am going to have to invent some illness on the day - i cannot face it.

  • 22/12/2007 @ 21:40 thorn said:
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    Oh Red, that is truly horrible. I wouldn't be able to go either.

     

    My married love is in my group of friends, but the important ones know about us and steer the others away from "couple nights" involving me, my married love and his spouse. If his spouse is going to be there I will not be. I don't care how odd it may look to those who do not know, I will walk out rather than be in the same room as the two of them.

     

    If you ever need to talk about your feelings on this please PM me.

  • 23/12/2007 @ 15:37 red said:
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    Thorn, It is so good to know that someone else has had this experience. I think that my gut instinct is the right one - and i will not go. I just think i would find it unbearable. As it is, i tend to be on my best behaviour. I fear that i would just feel so so miserable watching him play married man with someone other than me - i cannot even bear to think of it. There will just be that familiarity of a long-time married couple and i will just feel like the mistress and it will reinforce my loneliness. I was going to put that into a PM but somehow i have written it here now. Thank  you for your support. I don't mind talking about my feelngs here - particularly now i know that i am not the only one in this situation.

  • 23/12/2007 @ 18:15 thorn said:
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    Red, playing happily married with someone else is what bothers me. They are the perfect couple in the perfect marriage according to some of our friends.

     

    I can handle the knowledge of his marriage in the abstract, but not up close and personal.

     

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