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I feel so alone...

  • 22/01/2008 @ 16:33 StarShine said:
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    I have many friends who care about me, and a loving family who support me, and yet I feel so alone, I don't feel I can really confide in them for fear of upsetting them or worse still, of them rejecting me.  The days are so long, and I am forced to act happy and ubeat, when all I long to do is walk away from everything I know and everthing I am, just leave and never come back.  It's hardest at nights, when the world is so quiet, and responsibility just seems too much.  I recently told my 2 closest friends that many years ago I was suicidal, that I had managed to hide it from everyone, including my family, and now they look at me differently, with compassion, but with worry also.  They walk on eggshells around me, knowing I am unhappy, but thinking everything is ok, I have fooled them with my smiles.  Who will look beyond the smile?
  • 22/01/2008 @ 17:10 zorro said:
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    Hello Starshine

    I am so sorry you are feeling like this. Can I ask if this feeling of isolation has been with you for a long time, or if it just pops up now and again? Its funny how you can be surrounded by people who love you, yet still feel lonely isn't it? 

    Have you ever explored why it is you feel so alone.. did something specific happen that triggered it?

    If its any consolation, you are not alone here... we are here for you if you need us.

    Zxx 

  • 22/01/2008 @ 18:19 StarShine said:
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    Some years ago I went through a very tough time in my life, not for any particular reason, but I found it very hard to get through each day, and could see no reprieve.  Somehow I reached rock bottom, where I had to decide to do something, I decided to carry on living and managed to pull myself out without letting anyone know what was going on.  Since then, I do sometimes get periods when I am very low for weeks at a time, however the pain that I am feeling now has been with me for some time, longer than ever before.  My Grandfather had a stroke last year, and since then the family dynamic has changed, with me having to keep everyone strong, and be everyone's rock.  I have not been allowed to cry, as when I do, everyone crumbles.  My friends and housemates (I'm at Uni) have been great, but I feel so sad inside.  Being so strong for my family has stopped me confiding so much in my friends, when I have, I've scared them with my pain.  Now I cry when no-one can see the tears...it's easier that way. 

  • 22/01/2008 @ 19:26 roze said:
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    Hello StarShine. You are making such an important step in being able to share here what you are feeling. It is so very hard to feel that you are responsible for everyone - being strong to keep them together - and meanwhile having to hide your own feelings around others.  ANd yet it is dangerous territory. I had a major crash about a year ago - and i have come to realise that part of the reason was exactly what you describe - keeping what i call an 'air steward' exterior (just keep smiling) - whilst struggling with painful issues and feelings inside. I cannot count the number of times that i said 'i'm fine' or even 'i'm doing great' when actually i wasn't.

    It took me over 30 years to realise just how much a backlog of feelings i had been storing inside.  Unless you are a mature student, you can have a chance to process some things at a much earlier stage. Have you explored talking with a campus counselling service at all? Or looked to speak with someone who is not in your circle of family and friends - who can help you work through what is going on for you?

    Why has the family responsibility fallen to you? Please share some more if you would like to. 

  • 22/01/2008 @ 23:37 StarShine said:
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    Thankyou for your input roze.  I find it hard to open up full stop, and it has taken me a long time to even be able to admit to myself that 'faking it' isn't so great....cracks are starting to appear.  So, it's almost impossible for me to think of opening up to anyone like a counsellor etc.  I don't want to alienate yet more people.  My family have encouraged me to talk, but when I do, even when it is really low key, they fall apart.  My mother tries tp do everything possible for her father (who had the stroke), he lived with us, and now he is in a care home, a very diminished man, but the strain takes the toll on her, and she just won't let me grieve for the man we have lost (we had to get to know someone else after the stroke, he has changed so much), she seeks sympathy and constant attention for herself.  My father distances himself as much as possible, it raises a lot of unspoken issues on mortality for him I think.  My brother is so wrapped in his own guilt and sadness he can't see it in others that well.  When I see them, I carry them on my shoulders.  We all know this, they have told me as much, as such, I can't let them down.  I have tried to ease the burden, and now no-one talks to eachother unless I'm around, they ask me to do the talking for everyone, reassuring, caring, nuturing.  We are not a happy family, and I have no idea how to change that when I am in so much pain myself.  Any thoughts?

  • 23/01/2008 @ 04:24 thorn said:
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    StarShine, Roze is right, you really have to find some way of working through your feelings and not bottling them up inside.  One thing that is hard for many of the caretakers of the world to understand is that you must take care of yourself first so you will have the energy to take care of others.

     

    You should find someone to talk to, a counselor, a friend, maybe a family member that isn't so close to the issues being raised by your grandfather's illness.

     

    You should also try to find something you enjoy to do every day. It will help releive stress and the less stress you are under the more you will be able to be the rock for your family.

  • 23/01/2008 @ 09:29 7vicar said:
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    starshine, you feel alone, but when you revealed a truth (thereby attempting not to be alone) you felt your friends treated you differently. There is definitely something in the fact that you need to pretend everything is okay. I'm not saying that you any way want to be alone, but there is something you do need to explore with a counsellor, about why you make yourself be alone with your truth/real feelings.
  • 23/01/2008 @ 14:31 StarShine said:
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    Thankyou thorn and 7vicar, what you say makes a lot of sense.  However, I can't imagine talking about this to anyone face to face.  I feel so guilty and self-indulgent for 'wallowing', as opposed to getting on with life.  I really don't want to bring others down, and I would feel pathetic talking to a counsellor, other people have real problems to cope with, my whittering is just that; whittering.  But I will definitely give it some thought....thanks.   
  • 23/01/2008 @ 21:35 roze said:
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    Rather than thinking about what you might do with what you are feeling - can you talk more about where you think these feelings come from? What goes on for you when you are in a low period - what does it look and feel like? And have you noticed anything in particular that triggers periods of feeling low? Sorry - this sound like twenty questions - but i would like to learn and to hear more and to see if we can help you understand more about your situation. But we can only do that if you don't call it whittering - what you are feeling is genuine and needs yours and our attention - do not push away the feelings - let us perhaps try to explore them more together.
  • 24/01/2008 @ 09:38 red said:
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    StarShine - your talkabout is really touching - and i hope that you feel you can share more here. I came on this site as i was feeling very lonely - if at a different stage of life than you. At first i found it quite difficult to share what i really wanted to say but now i can talk about anything and it is so helpful. I understand loneliness and feelings of being down - as many of us do. Here for you. Be kind to yourself. Kind wishes, Red
  • 24/01/2008 @ 19:45 StarShine said:
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    Thankyou for kind words roze and red, they really mean a lot.  To answer your question roze about what it feels like when I'm in a low period, it's like everything is too much.  I seem to be pulled in a thousand different directions.  I feel like I'm living in a play, or a television programme, where I'm going through the motions until something else happens.  I seek to be on my own (not always easy sharing a house with 9 people), and I fantasise about ending my life.  I don't think I ever would, or rather couldn't, it hasn't got that bad.  You see some years ago things got really really tough for me.  I couldn't handle it, and somehow I couldn't say anything to anyone.  It got to the point of planning when I was on my own for an evening, writing a suicide note and counting out the contents of the family medicine cabinet.  As I prayed for courage to end my life, I somehow found the strength to live 'just one more day', and then the next day I found the strength 'for just one more' and so on.  I got out of the funk somehow, and I promised myself I would never let it get that bad, vowing never to return to that tiny bathroom with a handful of pills and a note explaining away my life.  I do live in fear that I will go back to that place.  It haunts the periods when I'm low, and it has never really gone away, I live with it like a toothache everyday.  This is in part why I don't want to get any professional help, as soon as they hear the word 'suicide' things become a whole lot more serious, notifying Uni etc.  But sometimes, I don't know, I think, well, it would be easier to walk away, leave everything behind, hit the escape button.  I know that's wrong, I do.  Being given the gift of life, it shouldn't be squandered, but at times I find it hard to care. Times like now, when I feel so empty inside.
  • 24/01/2008 @ 20:03 roze said:
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    StarShine - it may sound strange but i feel you can take comfort from having known how down it is possible to get in the past - it is a process of learning about our boundaries and when we are in danger of stepping over them. And i feel that you are reading yourself well - knowing that you have been in a similar place before and not wanting to go any further down. Something inside of you is ringing an alarm bell - and that alarm bell needs to be heard. Maybe it would help you to take some space - i know that i go a bit crazy if i feel too crowded by other people - i have to take time with myself - going for a walk, taking a bath, going out to see a film by myself. The endless pressure for interaction can be very demanding. Empty is when you have used all your fuel - maybe you need to leave some space for those reserves to build again?
  • 29/01/2008 @ 23:38 StarShine said:
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    Thankyou for your insight roze.  It really made me think, especially about the 'alarm bells ringing'.  It seemed to echo the sentiment my best friend (one of those whom I told about that time in my life when I was suicidal), she told me that it seems to her that I haven't gotten over that time, I just pushed to away to deal with later, and at some point I will have to deal with it.  Your comment made me think that those bells are starting to ring again to indicate now I should do something.  My friend knows how low I have been feeling recently, but thought things were getting better.  After reading your comment roze, I found the strength to tell her I was still hurting so much inside.  We talked long into the night (we live together), and I realised I do need to talk to someone professional about how I'm feeling, I can't handle this alone, and it is too much for my friends to handly by themselves.  She has offered to come with me to find a counsellor, to hold me when I need to cry, and to drag me out of the house when I need fun but don't feel like it.  I am not yet strong enough to face some of the things I know I will need to, and the thought of going over old (and current) feelings really frightens me, a Pandora's box moment I think.  However, I have realised I cannot put it off forever, and that I have someone to hold my hand.  Thankyou all for helping me find the strength, and for facing some very hard truths about my feelings.  I don't think I realised how bad things were getting, until I saw the words there on the screen. 

    I now have some questions: how does one find a counsellor? (I don't want to go to my GP, knowing something of the field, I know that it is a distinct possibility I will be diagnosed with Depression and I don't want that on my medical record).  Also, when one has found a counsellor, how do you open up? How do you open a box you have spent your life trying to keep shut? How do I get those words out? Does anyone have any thoughts??

  • 30/01/2008 @ 15:16 roze said:
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    Hello StarShine

    I am so pleased that you talked with your friend - and that she was there for you. That was such an important step. As for finding a counsellor - i can understand your reluctance to go through a GP. There should be a service through the Uni - have you looked at the welfare services in the student's union? As for opening up - that is the job of the counsellor - so long as you find someone you feel comfortable with - you will find that they will help you articulate the words. Hugs, Roze

  • 01/02/2008 @ 00:39 StarShine said:
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    Thank you roze.  I get butterflies just thinking about it.  xx
  • 07/02/2008 @ 22:27 StarShine said:
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    After much debate with my flatmate, I have been persuaded to go to a professional counselling session.  She is arranging everything for me, and will just give me a few moments notice so I can't back out with a lame excuse.  I'm so scared.  I really don't know how to open up to a complete stranger, about some of my most painful feelings.  I know their job is to help you with this, but I really don't know if I want to be persuaded to talk about this with someone whom I don't know, and don't trust.  Most of all, I am so unbelievably terrified that buried boxes will be fully opened and explored, and things will get worse before they get better.  Does anyone have any advice on this? Someone who has been there? Someone who is there? From either perspective, that of counsellor or counsellee.  I don't think I have any courage left, I have told so many here, online, which is great, it has really helped me unburden myself, and I told two of my closest and most trusted friends, but how do I possibly go any further? It took sooo long to get this far! xx
  • 08/02/2008 @ 07:19 nemt said:
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    it's easy to feel alone even with family and friends present

     

    in many cased family members are obligated to care for you, their affections can be seen as forced at worst, or at best not quite natural

     

    often those who offer help are self serving, feeling a need for gratification and to know they've done something good

  • 08/02/2008 @ 10:56 roze said:
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    Hi StarShine - have courage! It can be really helpful. I went to a therapist for quite a large chunk of last year. But as i have written elsewhere you need to feel comfortable with the person. First off it could be quite helpful to share just what you have written here - that you are not sure you can open up with a stranger and you fear opening Pandora's Box. Counsellors are trained to help people find ways of talking - and that is their job - so i would not worry about that side of it. For me, it was so helpful to have a defined space of time each week with someone outside of my situation who could just help me look at me from some different perspectives. As i tend to over-intellectualise my feelings it took some while for me to find my true emotions rather than stories about my emotions - if you see what i mean. Also it took me ages to articulate them - i remember the first time i cried - and it was tough. Generally i don't do too much crying and certainly not in front of strangers............well i can honestly say that part of the result of my therapy is that i cry when and how i need to much more now. And you will know when you have done what you need to do - mine was when i managed to book a hairdresser  appointment at the same time as my therapy - and i had to choose one or the other - my hair won the day! Let us know how it goes. Take care Roze
  • 08/02/2008 @ 19:06 StarShine said:
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    Thanks roze, you really have put my mind at ease somewhat, i think i'm just going to try and go with it, and let whatever happens happen. 

    As to nemt's comment, you really made me think.  I don't feel that my actions are self-serving, i want to help my family because i genuinely care about them and love them.  They do put a lot on me, and i do wish they had other outlets also, but i do what i do for them because they are my family and i love them very much.  I don't feel that i'm doing it as some attention seeking gratification - or at least i hope not!! Maybe this is something i need to explore, i don't know, but thankyou anyway, it is always useful to look at things from another perspective.  xx

  • 13/02/2008 @ 01:48 UMxx said:
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    Hello StarShine,

     I have visited the place of lonliness several times and think I know that at clever as I thought I was at surviving by putting on a brave face, that so many other people do it to that none of us can really judge the insides of someone by how their outsides look.

    I was so lucky that I had a friend like you who organised me to go and see a counsellor and it was the hardest but best thing I have ever done.  Hard because like you, I am a non talker of my feelings and learning to do this inside a safe environment with a counsellor has sometimes taken a lot of strength and guts - sometimes just to get to the appointment - but I have no regrets.  I do wonder if I might have had other friends who wanted to help as well but were too nervous to take the step.  This friend of mine wasn't my closest friend, or oldest friend, but was a person who just cared enough to do something and take the first step.  Aren't we lucky to have friends like this?

     I reflect also on how alone we can feel - and know that there are others around who feel the same - sometimes in the same room.  We can be together and yet still so alone.

     I reckon you are pretty brave by talking about how you feel and working towards a different place.  None of it is easy - so I am wishing you every strength to take your steps with care.

  • 26/03/2008 @ 04:16 YankeeBob said:
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    Family of origin issues.

     Your post was very thought provoking. Thank you for the courage to put it out there.

    It has been my experience that we grow up with an image of what a normal family SHOULD be like. And we compare it with our own.....and as a result feel a disturbance.

    As we move though childhood to adolescene and then into adulthood...we keep our secrets to ourselves.

     In a perfect world each child would be reassured by each of their parents that they were loved, that their parents wanted to know what was going on inside, and that praise would come.

     I always had a fantasy that my father would say, "Bob I tell all my friends how proud I am that you are my son."

     Now just recently I asked my 80 year old father how many close male friends he has. The answer was "None". And he only had two close friends 60 years ago, and has never seen them since. Nor stayed in touch.

     Thinking about our parents, about our dysfunctional families ( all families are dysfunctional or imperfect ) may not be healthy.

     You notice I use the "may" word.

     At my late age the only things I seemed to have learned are:

    * I can't change the past,

    * I can't change others,

    * The only person I can change is myself....and then I have to put some changes into action. Thinking about it ...."analysis paralysis" never resolves anything.

     May I wish you well in your search for mental peace and emotional serenity.

     Take care. Be well.

  • 26/03/2008 @ 08:32 roze said:
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    Yankee Bob - i just want to stand up and applaud your post. Such wise words. So much time is spent trying to obtain an image of something that bears no resemblance to what actually can make us happy. I love the family i have profoundly - and it fits nothing conventional at all. Similarly i get really concerned about the motivation for trying to change others. Like you enter a relationship and then work on all the stuff you want to be different rather than fully enjoying what it is that attracts you to someone in the first place. I just don't get it. As for changing self - well that is a journey we have to be open to - and a lifelong one at that. It is good to have you here.
  • 26/03/2008 @ 23:44 StarShine said:
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    What you said, YankeeBob, really struck a chord with me, accepting people for who they are, and the family dynamic for what it is.  This acceptance is really how we can love our families so whole-heartedly, or a part of it, isn't it?  As has been mentioned in a previous post, I am in counselling, and my therapist is exploring my family dynamic with me, and encouraging me to change it due to the amount of pressure I am under, but there is a lot to be said for "that's just how it is", and learning to cope with that pressure better. Maybe families play to their strengths, like in a team, utilising everyone's skills to the best of their abilities.  Has anyone changed their family dynamic because they felt it didnt work? By 'dymanic' I mean the roles that one is 'assigned' in the family, such as the 'rock', the 'peacemaker', the 'devil's advocate' etc. If so did it improve how the family functioned? Any thoughts would be welcome...
  • 27/03/2008 @ 06:43 YankeeBob said:
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    Roles we play in our families.

    You asked me to comment / share some thoughts.

    Let me try.

    I am being over simplistic here. Life is more complex than this.

    We can be "victims" or "in charge of our life".

    A "victim" is someone who plays a role to keep the family in balance. You may want to read John Bradshaw's book "THE FAMILY" or better yet watch his videos. He hangs a series of coat hangers off the ceiling. Then touches one at the top, and it moves all the other coat hangers due to their dependence.

    Some of us a children take on "care giving roles" to meet the needs of our families.

     Or we keep secrets about our families, because that is a family unwritten rule, "We do NOT talk about how dysfunctional we are as a family unit."

    Now a victim is usually used . They are harmed by others and don't complain. And they "harm" themselves.

    The above are very strong statements. CONFRONTING most certainly.

    I did not want to admit for several years how secretive my family was. How much my parents pretended we were "ok" when in fact we were abused as children emotionally and psychologically. But it happened. And my SILENCE about this abuse gave my parents freedom from any responsiblity for the harm that was caused to myself and my two brothers.

    The other role ( remember I am over simplifying this ) is to "TAKE CHARGE OF OUR LIFE".

     This means taking responsibility for MY emotional health, MY physical health and MY psychological health. Because IF I don't take responsibility who will ?

    Summary:

    Read John Bradshaw and discuss it with your counsellor.

    Debate with myself, or anyone on this site, or anyone in "THE REAL WORLD" my statements / assertions.

    Ask yourself, "Have I been a victim/martyr, and am now sick and tired of playing this role?"

  • 27/03/2008 @ 12:57 thorn said:
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    Hello Yankee Bob, Welcome to the wall.

     

    I have a favorite quote "A life of reaction is a life of slavery, intellectually and spiritually. One must fight for a life of action, not reaction." -Rita Mae Brown

     

    I think that most victims/matyrs react rather than act. They are stuck in a cycle where everything they do, all interactions with others and themselves, are colored by what happened to them. They haven't learned how to grow beyond their past and integrate what happened to them into their personalities.

     

    And when faced with new challenges they react to them (martyr themselves) rather than taking actions to resolve it.  

     

    They need to be taught how to act rather than react.

     

    I'm hoping this post makes sense because it's early and I haven't had any caffeine yet.

     

  • 27/03/2008 @ 13:24 UMxx said:
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    Great quote Thorn.  Very apt.  We can accept our roles iwhtin a family, as assigned, or we can act in ways to ensure that we are able to evolve.

     Then as initiators of action we need to work to produce the reaction which is appropriate for shifting others so we can be free of the roles assigned and assume the roles we aspire.  We need to organise others in order to create a space for us to act in the roles we prefer.. Often this doesn't happen unless we take the initiative for acting  in appropirate ways to produce the action that is necessary for us to evolve. Goodness you haven't had caffiene and I haven't had sleep but the relationship between action and reaction can either be positve of passive

    'night UM 

  • 29/03/2008 @ 08:40 cate said:
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    Hi Thorn, I'm not sure I understand the quote . One can react to a situation by punching, turning away and other physical reactions. The turning away response may actually be a thoughtful reaction to someone who is provoking when drunk.

     Thats not being a victim is it?  I see where you are coming from when you talk about learning to deal with life not as a victim or a martyr. I'm just not sure about the quote.  Perhaps I need a shot of caffeine the brain is tired. Cate xx

  • 29/03/2008 @ 09:11 cate said:
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    Hi Starshine , life can feel like you're drowning and wave after wave of problems overwhelm so you can barely catch your breath. Its true in some families various members are "assigned roles'. You sound insightful and with help you can choose to be your own person . Perhaps you can ask yourself what role you would choose to have in your family ?  The roles and labels that are handed out or reinforced within a family can be highly damaging . A truly loving family nurtures the wishes of each of its members respectfully.   The burdens that come with family life should also be dealt as equably as possible. It's only by sharing and confronting  problems -this can take immense  courage- that we begin to reshape our lives. Counselling  from a friend whom you respect or a professionally qualified person  seems the way to go. The world is a curious , strange and wonderful place  a  place that surprises and challenges. Be brave , there are many people ready to help. Take good care , Hugs xx
  • 29/03/2008 @ 22:56 StarShine said:
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    Thankyou Cate, what you said was very thoughtful, and made me smile for the first time in many days. xx
  • 31/03/2008 @ 18:39 dramablu said:
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    You know starshine, I was in the same place for a really long time. I wouldn't tell anyone. It was terrible. I know how you feel. So, if you just need someone to talk to, I'll be here. I know its hard.

  • 31/03/2008 @ 18:50 roze said:
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    I feel i understand the quote - although action cannot be taught it can on;y be found in the moment that is right. it is not like opening and closing a curtain - it is more being able to sense the change in your own light and know when you choose illumination over darkness
  • 29/04/2008 @ 21:39 StarShine said:
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    Hello again!  I just wanted to give everyone who had replied to this talkabout (and those who had viewed it) a quick update. Due to encouragement from all the wallers and friends, I did seek regular counselling, and I've found it a tremendous help.  It was only ever going to be a temporary fix, to help me find enough strength to lift me out the depression and get me through my finals.  It has certainly helped.  So a big thankyou for all your support!!! The counselling is winding down now, and I'm only having 'check in' sessions at spaced intervals.  However I can now recognise the signs when I need to get help, and how to hold myself together until I can.  I'm not so reluctant to ask for help like I once was.  I also find myself having 'happy' days. Not days of just stability, or neutral emotion, but happy!! I think I've definitely turned a corner, and whilst there is a ways to go, I feel that I am well on the way to working my way out of the slump, and there are improvements most days.  I am so glad I found this site, it has helped me in so many ways.  Hugs.  SSxx
  • 29/04/2008 @ 23:38 UMxx said:
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    Oh this is a lovely post to read StarShine.  I am so pleased for you and it is very generous of you to have followed up and let us know how you are going.

     

    I hope you have many more happy days  UM 

  • 30/04/2008 @ 00:37 cate said:
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    Oh Starshine thank you for getting back to us. I's so good to know that you have been able to find the kind of help you needed as you say, to turn the corner. Isn't it comforting to know that there is always that to  reach out to . We all need that kind of support from time to time  - even your counsellor needs feed back from collegues so she/he can maintain perspective on life. No one is immune from problems that won't benefit from  shared input to resolve them.

     I'm happy for you and send  many hugs, Cate