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The way we are - who?

  • 24/03/2008 @ 09:24 UMxx said:
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    A couple of things are behind my thinking in this post.  Please bear with me and as you might have noted I am not good at short posts.

    Earlier this month, we had a ta titled someting like violations of terms of use which made me feel like I had an encounter with a very badly behaved party crasher (my feelings which I take responsibility for) and the other day a really interesting post by Mary called I hate sexism.  Both have started me thinking about the Wall and how we connect.

    In terms of being still relatively new on the Wall I guess I wonder how much new people coming and getting involved might disrupt or change the flavour of the Wall.  I took some time to read old posts before I braved the reply but nothing goes back before 2007 so I don't know if the Wall was born before that or not.  I  am figuring that the quote"Change causes friction" is probably somewhat true of the Wall and although I have only ever felt welcomed, I wonder what happens when new people come in and become active.  I am reflecting on my own capacity here to feel like I am right at home.  Has the team ever considered this impact on the dynamic of the wall and if so or if not how does it feel for others who have been around together to cope with the extra personalities joinging?  Maybe this is a bit bold to ask straight out but this is where it is connected to the party crasher.  I respect that the Wall is an open resource but does anyone else feel a bit exposed and wondering if there is another way of having a bit more security or even a way of having sub groups.  I know this sounds exclusive but there are some things that I am not about to put on the Wall because it is so open.

    Maybe I am a bit too paranoid and I don't know how this might work - and I am certainly not a techie.  These are genuine questions and I would enjoy hearing others thoughts on this even if I am off on the wrong track.

    To the team, yes I did think of sending a request kind of email off to you direct but I am not sure of my thinking so therefor the ta - this is not intended to undermine the  importance of the work you do for us.  UM 

  • 24/03/2008 @ 12:01 Mary said:
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    Hello unionmaid and thank you for such an interesting and thought provoking post - and of course being the Mary of the sexism post I felt that I could add my tuppence!

     

    I am relatively new to the Wall and I started by commenting on bricks - adding my support to those who had posted their innermost thoughts on bricks.  I have to say I got some wonderful responses and it made me feel like I was doing some good, even in a small way.  It also made me feel confident enough to start my own Talkabout.

     

    How about newcomers? I think that the community needs to take care to welcome newcomers and 'show them the ropes'. Inappropriate behaviour can be mitigated by some gentle prodding from some of the more active users. In all of these type of places, although I have to admit that i haven't come across anything like the Wall, it can remain safe and secure provided that we all do our bit to maintain the ethos. 

     

    I also know that theteam will be watching the Wall and moderating where necessary; they would remove anyone that as not being helpful or abiding by the rules of use.  

     

    I for one would say that you are a wonderful presence on the Wall unionmaid and I am sure many people would agree with me. 

  • 24/03/2008 @ 12:13 Brown Bear said:
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    Hullo UM, we've not spoken before.  Quite a few points.  The Wall only started in October last year.  I was a bit slow joining because I didn't take the time to work out what was going on but I stll consider myself an old hand.  There are quite a few of us still around from the beginning and we were begiining to feel as you are - a bit exposed and whilst able to associate with people we knew, found it more difficult to deal with the Newcomers.  We worked out a way of keeping in touch with a little more privacy and retaining the family feeling we felt.  We also agreed that we would make our group aware of anyone who seemed to be in trouble.  Having said that we all still frequent the current Talkabouts and post when appropriate.  One of my difficulties is that I have kind of 'Shot my Bolt' - all my pearls of wisdom are buried deep in the foundations as it were, and I'm a bit reluctant to bring them out again, which is a pity.  Of course we can point people towards topics that have been covered.  Send me a PM and I'll tell you how it works.  Its a fact that few of us are able to maintain, in real life, a close friendship with more than about half a dozen people: I think its the same here.
  • 24/03/2008 @ 13:26 roze said:
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    I have thought about this a lot. Each of us needs to find our levels of safety and those we connect with  - not much different than offline life i guess. I think Big White Wall offers four different spaces that come with greater levels of privacy. The most open is talkabouts. Then there are named bricks where some quite extensive discussions can go on but rather more privately and more focused on the individual than on talkabouts. Then there are anonymous bricks which offer greater privacy to the poster. Finally, there is private messaging.

    The resource that BB refers to is a preliminary attempt to form groups - which Emily posted on some while ago - to explain how to do that. So - if you want a group of say older mothers then these people can come together (see Emily's ta on who to do this or ask BB as he has set one up).

    So - actually there are about 5 different levels at the moment - i find that i use them all for different purposes. But the general point is that newcomers need to know there are these different ways of being with others in the community. Morevoer, we all need to ensure that those who are new feel welcome and help them discover what is here - i find the community is pretty good at that so far. I guess it is what we all make it???? 

  • 25/03/2008 @ 00:38 cate said:
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    As a relatively  newcomer I appreciate  the concerns expressed here.I am still learning about the differing grades of anonymity and disclosure available.Like Um I'm not into IT or pretend to understand the technicalities of  PC communication. Also we  Oz are a relatively small population, The BigWW received some publicity and created interest in me . I guess it comes down to how vulnerable we feel. What interests me is in fact how small the BWW population  seems to be.What is your guess?  I now know there are sub groups Roze within the bricks ( thanks)Perhaps I'm I could start a 'thick brick' sub group? Cheers 

     

  • 25/03/2008 @ 01:45 UMxx said:
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    oh yes please Cate, I think I am an ideal member for a  thick brick sub group. Now I have "thick as a brick" going though my head - good thing I can't whistle.
  • 25/03/2008 @ 13:04 Mebenji said:
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    Can't whistle either. can't "pop my thumbs", can't ride a bicycle, cna't stand on one foot for ten seconds without falling sideways and I vaguely remember "Thick as a Brick" which I think hints at my age...do I qualify as a thickbrick, too?

     

    & thanks for the topic. I've tried to play it by ear. If someone has an issue with my behaviour or my bricks, they are more than welcome to let me know. If it is wwaayy out of bounds, I understand that I will be excluded. Otherwise, like relationship forming that goes one face to face, we will negotioate, discuss, apologize and (wherever possible) remove and fix whatever offence we've committed against anyone. That's how I understand it.

     

    The nature of The Wall is such that it feels a 'safer' environment to expose yourself. It's amazing to me how the anonymity of the space frees people up so quickly....it sometimes seems to me some of the deepest most emotionally expressed posts and bricks were just waiting for the space and the permission anonymity allows to come out. It  seems to confirm for me that humans need to get it out, But in safety, in a secure environment where we are not likely anyone will tell you to shut up and go away. You gotta do real bad, very hurtful and destructive things with your words before that would happen.

     

    I've also noted, if I see something which troubles me, because I want very much to respond in helpful, supportive ways - but I don't know what to say.... that's difficult. I hate to think of someone not recieving a single response...that's worse. It is my problem that I feel I want to help, want to fix every problem, every worry, every concern, everyone's troubles...but I can't. That's a simple fact. Not only do I not have emotional fortitude to involve myself in everyon's innermost lives (so I don't expect anyone to have the same for me) I don't feel I know enough to not make mistakes (making mistakes with someone in great need scares me terribly), I have learned over the years, I really can't fix other people. Haven't fixed myself. People do have to think things through and feel their way through their lives...I have no power over that. If I did, I would be easily overwhelmed by the desire out there for someone who could just make it all go away.

     

    The Wall brings u[ issues for me...maybe, being as optimistic as I can, I will grow, and appreciate everyone I've connected with on The Wall for their part in that.

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