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Now This Is Community

  • 28/03/2008 @ 12:48 Brown Bear said:
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    Put the stress on any one of those four words!


    I firmly believe that the loss of Communities and Community Spirit has been largely responsible for the 'epidemic' of depressive illness that has swept our country since the war and especially in the last 25 years.  I have been a depressive for the last 10 years, that is to say, kept just afloat by a daily dose of an SSRI* which prevents the onset of the illness, for that's what it is.


    I came here last December just as it got into its stride and have been here ever since.  You could say I'm an addict:  I say its my job [I am retired, BTW].  The dynamics of the Wall are such that one gets to know really well, people of ones own [wall-joining] vintage.  And whilst I will apply myself to needy people as time permits, newer blood will take over from us where necessary and will form their own more intimate groups.


    For the last three days I have had no need of my SSRI - just didn't even remember to take it.  I feel wonderfully renewed and refreshed:  my life feels exciting and full;  my 'wife' finds a happy enthusiastic man when she comes through the door instead a sullen, morose, gloomy albatross.  I have friends here who I love and who say they love me; I have a daily flood of news and events;  I have thought provoking discussions with people who never offend or criticize, who are honest, open and willing to say it how it really is;  my brain is constantly exercised in my efforts to help resolve problems or post usefully;  at any hour of the day or night I can interact with people I know and who know me.  And I'm in competition with no-one for anything.  WHERE in the so-called 'real' world can you find a fraction of that?


    As Roze said some weeks ago 'This Community has changed my life'.


    * SSRI = Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor  - Things like Prozac, Cipramil, Seroxat

  • 28/03/2008 @ 12:55 zorro said:
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    Oh BB that is such brilliant news - congratulations to you. Your post brought a tear to my eye. I feel we all are all so valuble and I too am proud to be here amongst friends. Long may it continue, and here is to your continued good health - raising a virtual glass and sending you a special (((hug)))

    Zxx 

  • 28/03/2008 @ 13:02 roze said:
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    Oh BB - what a wonderful post. It does get harder - but not impossible - to find community offline these days. I had never seen you as an Albatross but it is clear that - the less morose form :)) - does show us the way to land here at times. I find The Wall a great place for support and conversations that are meaningful, engaging and warm. I do find that offline too but somehow The Wall is what it says - a place for support when life is a wee bit shaky or for finding deep connection across all the usual social and geographical borders in life.

    It is simply amazing that you are off medications - and it makes me doubly sure that medication is often a poor substitute for meaningful relationship with self and other. Perhaps - like the new study by American psychiatrist Dr Block on the Internet and texting being a new mental illness - we are all participating in a mass addiction - but actually i think the guy is bonkers - shall we send him the url of Big White Wall?

  • 28/03/2008 @ 13:38 Brown Bear said:
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    Thank you both for your heartwarming responses. 

     

    I've not come across this 'Internet Addiction' stuff but I have found this Site about him which includes his e-mail address.  I have yet to read his ideas.  BB

  • 28/03/2008 @ 17:20 thorn said:
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    Hi BB! I'm so happy to hear that your life is looking up.

     

    (( hug ))

     

    Now, concerning the good doctor...

     

    I have very strong convictions about internet addiction vs internet obsession.

     

    I wrote a blog about it last year and how it pertained to people who game specifically. Here is someone elses feedback on the entry:

     


    • I think the key determinant in assessing whether a problem exists is whether or not there is compulsive behavior. Do we play because we choose to do so, or is it compulsive behavior? No matter how much time you spend in any activity, I don't think there is addiction or obsession as long as you are choosing to do it because you want to, not because you "need" to. Even if someone begins to neglect other responsibilities, it may still not be addiction. It may simply be irresponsibility. Determining whether behavior is compulsive or rational can be difficult I suppose, but assuming there is an addiction simply because of the time invested or the enthusiasm displayed is ridiculous.


    And my reply:


    • .....Even if someone begins to neglect other responsibilities, it may still not be addiction. It may simply be irresponsibility...... I like this thought, but... If the choice came down to taking personal responsibility or being diagnosed with an "addiction" - how many people would choose to take responsibility for their actions? Maybe gamers themselves are to blame for some of this??

     

     

    I still think people would rather be diagnosed with a non-existant addiction so that they don't have to take responsibility for their issues. And our medical/psychological establishment takes advantage of this.

     

    Therefore, I am not addicted to The Wall.

     

    I am not obsessed with The Wall.

     

    I just enjoy logging on and talking to my new friends and creating bricks. I take full responsibility for all my actions and non-actions in 'real life' that result from my hanging out here. 

  • 28/03/2008 @ 19:56 thrash_unreal said:
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    <3s bb
  • 28/03/2008 @ 22:04 Swon said:
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    BB, you have summed up this place perfectly.

    I first came here at the start of November 2007 after hearing one of the founders on BBC Radio London. At the time I was feeling very low, not for the first time in my life, but for the same reason - I felt I had spent my entire married life with the wrong woman. You know the story so I'm not going to repeat it but the point is that really I came here looking for someone to give me that final kick up the arse which would have seen me walk out.

     

    What I found was a group of people who did not criticise or condem, they just listened, questioned and most of all made me think about things in a different way. I don't really know how, but that's what happened and now, 5 months on, I have a depth of feeling for my wife that I never thought possible again and my marriage is well on the way to recovery, even surviving a quite traumatic incident just a few weeks ago, you know the story, and I truly believe that if that had happened last November, I would not be with my wife now.

     

    I also like to think that I have put something back as well and that really closes the circle on the definition of a real community.

    I like it here, long may it last, if only so that we can find out what pet Roze finally gets.

  • 28/03/2008 @ 22:21 Isabella said:
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    Hi, BB. Excellent post.  I must say the same is true for me.  The BWW has truly changed my life and how I look at certain things and it makes you think all the time, which is something I truly love doing.

    I came here in November 2007, also at a time when my marraige was falling apart and it has made such a difference being able to talk about it and getting feedback from so many caring people.  No-one to judge you, just good, honest advice and opinions.  It's something that is definately lacking for me in real life and sometimes one feels that one does not always want to discuss certain issues with people face to face.  Long may BWW prosper.

  • 29/03/2008 @ 02:23 cate said:
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     Great TA  BB and am so glad your can feel good without the drugs. Just wondering  if  you feel more valued and supported in this world than as you put it the 'real' world?  It seems that there is a carry over from one to the  other. Is it also that  we control the flow of innermost thoughts  uninterrupted- for I know this happens frequently in 'real world'.  I welcome your thoughts - take care , xx
  • 29/03/2008 @ 05:08 UMxx said:
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    Hey BB, good topic.  I generally agree that the impact of changing communities appears to increase the depressive tendencies in the population- probably why it is so much more highly reported in rich white countries than poor countries. 

    But I think that there is a question about what are the pressures behind the change in communities also.  I think there is loads of evidence to suggest that even if individuals wanted to participate in communities there are so many obstacles and barriers they have to deal with.  I live in the second longest working OECD country - Australia follows Korea - this is part of the cleverness of the economic rationalist approach to the level playing field.  The pressure is on to work many extra hours of work  - often without compensation and with little capacity to refuse without reducing the security of employment.  Well, you can be sacked here for refusing to work unreasonable overtime - and that is a provision that covers governement and highly organised workers.

    So buy the time that an ordinary person, who can no longer afford to live in the area they work, gets up, gets the kids to before school care and commutes to work - well they may have already spent 3 - 4 hours - then they stay at work and put in a bit of extra time and do the same in reverse.  Kids are in care and school from 7am to 6:45 pm and the parents are trying to make it all work.  Now I could get started on the challenge of getting children to do homework after this kind of long day but I am trying to stay focussed.

    Interest rate rises, rising costs of basic needs, and the pressures of living in an affluent society add a little bit of spice to the cocktail.  

    I doubt that living in Sydney is very much different to living in any other city - except  our public transport system is very basic - I think that the challenge is to go back to the old arguments about what is the work life balance for people in a civil society.  We are no longer personnel - at least the word acknowledged us as people - now we are human resources - living cogs and widgits.  Much of the economic development and policies of the western world undermine the capacity of people to contribute to their community.

    So what is behind the decrease in community health?  Well I think it is broader and bigger than what we are taught to recognise.

    You've got me on my favourite topic... sorry another long post

     

    UM 

  • 29/03/2008 @ 11:02 Brown Bear said:
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    Thank you all for your most generous compliments.  I seem to have started some other hares running - Both Thorn and UM have been diverted onto their favourite topics - both of which deserve TAs of their own.  I've got lots to say about both - I expect we all have.

     

    All of you make enormous contributions here and its you that keep it forging ahead:  its you who keep it well presented, well thought out, carefully written and a pleasure to read. 

     

    I reserve a special commendation for Roze who does so much to look after people despite her own problems and who without fail, welcomes EVERY newcomer, posts on EVERY new brick.  What a player, Roze.

     

    I love you all.  BB 

  • 29/03/2008 @ 13:54 roze said:
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    Oh BB spare my blushes - posting from my blackberry at a lunch with great friends - still vaguely coherent. Thing is BB community does not exist without a sense of belonging in which we all contribute what we are able and receive what we wish to let in. This is a truly special place because of what each person brings and gifts. You are such a love for starting this ta. Better go before I get slushy! Love roze
  • 29/03/2008 @ 20:24 UMxx said:
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    oh yes BB, well said, roze may be blushing and worried about getting slushy but it is the contributions that are made that make the Community - thank goodness for what roze gives to the Wall  - you are right about how easy it is to feel comfortable her with her welcoming words and encouragement.
  • 29/03/2008 @ 21:05 UMxx said:
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    Back to BB's original post.  I did rather get distracted by the opening para.

    I am so pleased for you BB that you have been able to liberate yourself from your SSRI meds.  Actually I am a little envious - not jealous but, how I would like to feel that I might be able to stop taking the antidepressants that seem to remind me every morning that I am a bit of a failure and need the chemical assistance.  I feel this way about taking meds - but I know that others have a different attitude and my attitude has actually improved so that I am more considerate of myself and take them properly rather than avoid them.(baby steps of positive change)

    I have a kind of silly mantra when I swallow them about keeping a bit more sun in my skull.  But really what I want is to be able to deal with life's little and big challenges without taking them.

    I know the value of taking them - hey I am still here! but I am aworrier and I really worry about the money that drug companies make out of this stuff and wonder whether I am part of an economy that is less about health and more about profit generation and I worry about not knowing enough about ehir long term effects. (here is a rabbit hole I won't visit today.)

    So, in acknowledging the important contribution that the Wall makes, although I can't yet celebrate being med free, I know I can give thanks to the wall  and want to share this.

    Like everyone else, things happen and knock us of balance and without going into the what why how when of the trigger, I want to give credit to the Wall for my being able to learn ways of expressing myself in a safe place that I would not be either comfortable or brave enough in the offline world. I think the Wall is perhaps a little like a training module for self expression that I missed out on when I was growing up - must have been the year of tonsilitis and tonsilectomy. 

    I fell flat down shortly after finding the Wall and have been struggling with my very big black dog. Whilst I feel a bit more like me on the Wall in the ta's I  find the new parts of me in my bricks and being able to just express the feelings that I wouldn't give air too. - A bit like just in time explosions of feelings - but they weren't being allowed out anywhere else.

    For me this is worthy of celebrating - well I see it as a positive.  I probably would have felt that the suggestion of upping the dosage of my meds was an appropriate action in the last couple of months but work with a great counsellor who respected that I wanted to avoid this.  I doubt I could have felt confident to do this - or to have some hope without what the Wall offers me and what the people on the Wall offer so generously of themselves to each other. And especially so to those who offer the extra support by comments and who exchange in messaging. 

     Yes this is Community - and I am relieved to have arrived here and so pleased that others made it so I could join in. Thanks all.  UM

  • 30/03/2008 @ 01:53 Sehquethel said:
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    This really is a lovely place.. I've been to forums and such, and have never gotten so involved.  Forums bore me in fact.  And though I don't say as many things as I'd like, or don't post very often, there still is a very strong sense of belonging I get from being here.

    I know this sounds selfish, but I don't really want the BigWhiteWall to grow.  If it does, there will be so many people here, that not everyone gets attended to.  So many bricks will go overlooked.  And yet, of course, I want it to grow because it will bring in more interesting people.. and more people will be helped by this lovely place...

    I think that's why it's so difficult to find 'community' in our world today.  It's so hard to fit into a big community and feel like you belong, regardless.  

    =\ 

    I hope despite growth, the BWW stays as heartfelt and caring as it has been from the beginning. 

    I truly hope.

    Lovely post.

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