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How well do we really know our children?

  • 10/06/2008 @ 00:38 cate said:
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     We are finding that as one of  our children is moving into her first serious relationship  and we find ourseves wondering what on earth attracts her to him .

    She is reluctant  to introduce him to her friends thinking they will say he is weird- as her parents we have serious misgivings- mind we have only met him 3 times. He is  2 years younger and she knows very little about him having met him at a rock concert.

    I'm feeling very unsettled to say the least.

     

  • 10/06/2008 @ 02:14 el mariachi said:
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    My sisters first boyfriend was 19 when she was 13. I was 16 at the time and I know my parents were very worried about it. Personally I think this is sick and was not really happy about some guy with a car driving my sister around. I also seriously question his morals in thinking it is ok to date a minor who is 6 years your junior.

    Suffice to say, with what my mum and dad said about it all, it didn't really last that long. Her 2nd boyfriend was much the same and even lived out of his car. He thought it would be ok to park it out the front of my mum and dads house. He only lasted a little bit longer. Now she is happily married to a hard working guy and all is well.

    I think the thing is that the more you criticise or say no to a child, the more they will feel like rebelling. Sometimes you need to make a couple of mistakes to progress. Heck, who here hasn't, we are all human. As a parent, it is our role to guide and assist and care for our children but where do you draw the line. I know for a fact that im rather pig headed at times. If my mum and dad had of tried the forceful tactic on me, I would have just done what I wanted.

    When I was 15, I was with a friend and he was caught shoplifting. We both ended up down the police station. I was assaulted by the police office who used his baton on me by putting a telephone book on my head and whacking the stick into it. I told him I was going to tell my father. He laughed and said, we cant charge you, you wont tell you father so I went home and told my dad. He called the policeman responsible who said that it didn't happen and that he had his own children and also was arrogant enough to say, it wont stand up anyway, a policeman will be believed over a 15 year old child. My father then told this police officer that overall I was a good and honest kid who knew it was wrong to steal, even if I didn't, the fact I knew my friend was, I should have stopped him or left. I did neither so I got grounded for 2 months.

    My father then went on to tell the police officer that he had been a Justice of the Peace for 20 years, was an ex Mayor of a council and that one of his closest friends was a superintendent. Anyway, my father when grounding me said "Glen, I don't want to speak to you, im not angry with you, you know you made a mistake but..... I am so terribly disappointed, can you please leave the room. This to me was more than any grounding or screaming would have achieved, the fact I had let him down.

    I think in this case, you need to weigh the pro's and cons, whoever this kid was, its your child's 1st boyfriend, you will be nervous if he is a muso or even if he was on in the maths squad at school and a straight a student. She will get to know him and if she likes him then she will date him, but id say it wont last to long. They usually don't at that age ;-) I guess if you have a relationship like I had with my father, then it would be nice to think that if she has concerns she will address them with you, she will be honest with you and not hide things. Children tend to be honest with you if you are fair and honest with them.

  • 10/06/2008 @ 02:39 cate said:
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    Thanks for your insights el mariachi  and sharing those formative experiences. What a great father to have been so understanding .The wisdom he showed  in handling difficult situations no doubt helped in forming your values.

    Yesterday I read the  ABC Radio National  transcript of Ramona  Koval's interview with Joseph Heller (Catch 22 author ) .Its well worth  a look .  He talks of  neo Darwinism and how our brains develop before we do . Never thought of that . How we are the product of our genes and environment -yes  .  He believed that  our actions and thoughts were not entirely of our making.

    I have felt this was so and free will is an illusion. This belief reinforces the compassion I feel for every living thing .

     Back to the TA,  know that any criticism has negative effect and  any concerns need to be communicated gently if at all .  Hopefully she will continue sharing with us . 

     Thanks for caring, Cate  xx

  • 10/06/2008 @ 06:16 el mariachi said:
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    I don't understand that Darwin stuff, you guys all confuse me with that. I have to be honest, I cant really read books on psychology. Just don't follow them or understand them. Guess we all have things we are good at picking up and thing we are not.

    My father has a really good analytical mind, I think I picked that up from him as I work in Systems and have recently been offered a consulting job. I struggled with deadlines at school and also with a lot of subjects because I got bored and couldn't follow them but I know that if I start something I cant sleep, rest or walk away until I have worked it out. I apply it to everything I do here which is good now because I am a fix it man but when I wasn't my boss would always say "Glen, get a move on, stop spending so much time on this or that. Follow the process" lol. Never was good at that.

    Never got dads genes when it came to drawing, think ive mentioned earlier that he can draw picture perfect, I mess up stick figures but I kind of do have his temper (Guilty, but guess at least I know about it) Still was an interesting childhood, he didn't really know how to show love or compassion eg I still to this day have never heard him say "I'm sorry" or even water at the eyes. He used to yell a lot and we were bought up on intimidation, I don't blame him, he never really had a father but when it came to emergency's, helping those at a disadvantage or sticking up for family. He was fantastic. Its kind of hard to describe. He was the perfect dad but it took a very long time and a medical emergancy for him to open himself up, let the poker face disapear.

  • 11/06/2008 @ 19:52 ablely said:
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    Hello cate. I am nearly approaching the stage that you have already reached. My daughter has had a whole succession of boyfriends but thankfully none have been remotely serious.

    I do think though that we need to let them make their own mistakes within reason. It is part of watching them fly away and probably a very hard thing to bear. I hope very much that my girls will continue to confide in me when they are gone from the family home and to do that I am resolved to be non-judgemental. This is easier said than done!

    I do wish you lots of luck. 

  • 12/06/2008 @ 11:58 UMxx said:
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    Well Cate - all I can remember is being asked that question too many times by my mum and thinking why am I expected to explain myself at every step.  These days I feel like it is my closest friends who just seem to understand or accept without having to ask the questions.  As you know my kids are at the age that they aren't challenging me with the kind of relationships that make me unsettled. 

     

    I think it is one of those things between parents and kids that unsettle everyone - I read your original post whilst I was away with my workmates and over one dinner we talked about this and all decided that we wouldn't be asking questions in favour of just being there.  And we would have to ring each other up and go aaaarrrrggggh to each other as we know it must have driven our parents crazy and will drive us crazy with worry and concern too.  

     

    I am sure your daughter will work it out. lots of hugs  UM xxxx 

  • 12/06/2008 @ 13:54 upsidedownandbackwards said:
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    I am going through a similar relationship woes with both of my 13 year olds...one is a boy and one is a girl.

    The boy falls "in love" with in hours of getting a new relationship. It is making me crazy. I try to explain that just because they are "dating"  doesn't mean it is love everytime. I wish I could make him understand how special those words really are and everything that I need to but i get " I know I know" and he ALWAYS ends up heart broken until the next one comes along and then it is all repeated.

    My 13 y/o girl was with a boy in a hidden relationship for MONTHS befor she was found out and went on only telling her father and I ( she lives with her mother) when she suffered heart break her mom wasn't even aware and was unable to comfort her. which made my so sad for her. But she cannot talk to her mother about this because she has the no relationships till you are 16 rule...which breeds a place to be lied to and leads to things that are much worse then talking on the phone and so on... She talks to me, which is good...but part of me a very tiny tiny part wants to sit down just her, her mother and my self and talk...but I can't betray her like that by forcing her to talk about things when she is scared of what her mother will do.

    okay enough rambling. and welcome to my insanity.

  • 13/06/2008 @ 01:46 cate said:
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    Thank you to you all for responding with  your words of wisdom. I've taken a few - lots actually -  deep  breaths and reminded myself that even though my daughter is a very young adult I can no longer 'protect'.   She   thinks  'all her dreams have come true'    and even though  we  fail to  understand what she sees in the boyfriend  I remind myself that she has a right to  pursue  her own dreams .  I talked to her about the way her dad and  I  have some adjusting to do  mentally with the changes in the home  dynamics. Daughter has just changed hair colour - a dramatic difference- so in my peripheral vision there are 2 'strangers' at times.

    The startle response is in overdrive. I think we need a holiday!

     Anyway  I'm  backing off and hope  all works out . Life continues  to be ever  interesting with its challenges . I'm thankful to my friends on and off the Wall for being  able to put perspective on all this .

     With love , Cate xxx

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